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  Is the USA a bully?

  by Robdar in

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  i was watching the news last night.

  the latest word from the war front is that we should be able to peaceably work out our differences with north korea.

  as humiliating as it will be for us to kiss north korea's ass, we will do so because they do have the ability to nuke our west coast.

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  Lilacs,

  It was merely speculation. But it is hard to imagine that Saddam doesn't seek some sort of revenge for the Gulf War or, better yet, the 'no fly' zone that protects the Kurds and others in his own country opposed to Saddam's government from missile strikes from Saddam.

  Let's suppose that the Russians in the 50's decided that they didn't like how the US was treating the 'black' populace at that time and set up a 'no fly' zone over a section of the US to give those being persucuted by the policies of said government added protection. Or the Indians before them. As a country, the US would be willing to do whatever to throw off such domination. Can't see where it's any different for Iraq.

  This does not mean I approve of how Saddam is treating some of his own people, but who made the US the world's police that they (with their own historical past) have the right to interfere? I would like to believe that it is because as a nation, the US has moved beyond such barbarism. But, in reality(as was the case with interrogating potential terrorists after 911), instead of the US torturing prisoners to gain information(forbidden by US conscience and law), they simply shipped them off to Egypt where torture for info is the norm.
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  How Do YOU Help People Out Of The Watchtower?

  by minimus in

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  what have you personally done to help people come out of the watchtower?

  are you actively speaking to your friends and/or family about what you now believe?

  were you disfellowshipped for speaking out against jehovah's witnesses?

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  Are you actively speaking to your friends and/or family about what you now believe?

  I would, but I don't know who to turn my time in to.
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  Is the USA a bully?

  by Robdar in

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  i was watching the news last night.

  the latest word from the war front is that we should be able to peaceably work out our differences with north korea.

  as humiliating as it will be for us to kiss north korea's ass, we will do so because they do have the ability to nuke our west coast.

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  Yes. But when nuclear countries get our panties twisted in a wad(Pakistan, for instance) the US invokes sanctions against them because of the added risk of death on a BIG scale. The US bullies those they know they can; the rest they shun with sanctions.

  I'd be willing to bet that if Saddam issued a statement saying that in the 10 years since the Gulf War, he has quietly smuggled nuclear weapons and terror cells into the US and placed them in strategic cities, and that he would detonate one for each day that the US attacked Iraq, the US would be finding another solution to the issue at hand.
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  Good Cop bad cop

  by donkey in

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  introducing god and satan.

  do god and satan work on the same team?

  are you shocked at such a suggestion?

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  The devil never had the ability to create things and he never has and never will.

  Sorry, donkey. This is off course of your thread, but would like to interject:

  Yiz, if we are to believe the story of the Nephilim (yeah, I know, I know. But let's suspend disbelief for a sec), who created, not one man, but a race of men(materialized angels) with the ability to procreate? Satan and other rogue angels or God? Who gave them (not only the rogue angels, but the offspring they produced) the breath of life? And if from God, why would He support something supposedly so evil as Satan's own plans to undermine God's plans?
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  MORE Smurfs of JWD Fun for New Years! MORE

  by xenawarrior in

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  simon- the referee smurf .

  valis, the overbeer smurf .

  comf .

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  For 'no one' can make us angry and hurt

  Please!!!! I'm innocent.
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  Which Watchtower teachings lack logic?

  by sleepy in

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  which watchtower teachings lack logic?.

  i know you're all tempted to say all of them, but some beliefs if the facts were true, would be logical.. which ones that are supposed to be a logical consequence of a true fact are in fact not logical whether the fact is true or not?.

  for an example of logical belief based on untrue or unprovable fact , if god created adam and all humans came from him,(supposed fact) he could pass on defects in his genes to all humans and we could all be "imperfect".this we could call logical.. a watchtower belief that lacks logic is for example jw's who go through armageddon or die and are ressurected to earth are not perfect but still have another test to go through, yet those who die and that go to heaven are perfect straight away and require no further testing.. so which teachings are based on beliefs that are not true and which ones are just not logical?

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  A watchtower belief that lacks logic is for example Jw's who go through Armageddon or die and are ressurected to earth are not perfect but still have another test to go through, yet those who die and that go to heaven are perfect straight away and require no further testing.

  Interesting how the argument is that Adam and Eve were created perfect because all God's works are perfect, and here they are saying that billions will be re-created imperfectly after Armageddon.
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  Links at the bottom of site gone! Why?

  by Yizuman in

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  why has simon removed freeminds.org and other sites off this forum?.

  is there a reason for that?.

  just curious.... yizuman.

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  It's for your own safety. We don't wan't you to stray away from us.
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  LETTING GO

  by Gig in

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  some of you might remember that i fell in love with a jw.

  that was two years ago and now i've decided to let her go.

  i've done everything i know to do including trying to apply most every good thing i learned since meeting her.

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  removed post

  Edited by - no one on 1 January 2003 7:48:6
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  Nails in The WT Coffin

  by hillbilly in

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  nails in the wt coffin-- what kind of nails?

  a while back i posted my opinion that the wt's demise would come at the hand of the "home grown" legal department.

  in my scenario i see the lawyers flitering cash out and creating legal manuvers to protect the players ( like any other corporate "legal theft").

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  Here ya go, Hillbilly,

  Your phrase struck a chord:

  "Millions now wanting to leave BS behind can leave faster and more efficiently than ever before"

  Let's make it: "Millions now living will read a lie."
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  Was Adam created immortal?

  by Mr Bean in

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  22 and the lord god said, behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:.

  23 therefore the lord god sent him forth from the garden of eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken.. 24 so he drove out the man: and he placed at the east of the garden of eden cherubim, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.. .

  if he would eat from that tree, he would have live forever.

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  The 'tree of life', perfection, and everlasting life stuff has always troubled me.

  If the tree is symbolic, why place a 'flaming sword' to guard it? If the tree is real and has the properties implied by God, this seems to go against his own word. He stated that if man ate of the 'tree of knowledge', man would die. Well, since man ate and since God cannot lie, how could the 'tree of life' possibly do anything that would reverse His sentence of death? There should be no need of guarding the tree if God's word(sentence of death) cannot fail.

  If the only reason man dies is because of sin, why do animals die? They seemed to be dying already in the garden since God uses animal skins to clothe the humans. Why don't angels that have sinned die? Longer life spans? They have to be killed in the end.

  And what about the phrase '...has become like one of us in knowing good and bad...'? If God is the 'only one' who determines what is good and bad for all of his creations, why the word 'us'? Sounds like someone else is able to make their own decisions for themselves.

  Additional thoughts: How do you 'deceive' a perfect person? Why weren't Eve's eyes opened until after Adam ate of the fruit? And, of course, we can get goofy and ask if an animal that happened to eat of the tree of life, would it live indefinitely?